Monday, 12 May 2014

Homework Task- 12/5/14

Finish your paragraphs from today's lesson using the focus and poems you were given to answer our question from the exam:
Compare the methods the poets use to explore ideas about love in
 ‘Sonnet 116’ and in one other poem. (36 marks)


Comment on this post with your answers and don't forget to leave your name on the answer as well.

Due : Wednesday 14th May 2014

18 comments:

  1. Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress both use allegories in different ways - Sonnet 116 continually uses metaphors to explain young love is timeless and eternal, 'Love's not Time's fool', and 'Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks.'
    One the other hand, T.H.C.M explains love as being more passionate and has more sexual implications - ''Let us roll our strength and all' 'The grave... do there embrace' both hint at coitus.
    Both of the poems personify time - S-116 appears to give time little possession of love - again referencing love as timeless 'Love's not time's fool' but contradicts this with death, or time running out via references to death as the grim reaper 'his bending sickle's' - implies death - commonly portrayed with a scythe. THCM, on the other hand, uses language like 'Time's winged chariot' 'his slow-chapt power' often using time as a omen or threat in the poem, again relating to time running out, only in this poem as an attempt to convince the 'mistress' to have sex with him.
    My final language technique I shall talk about is Metonymy - substitutions of words for others with similar connotations - Sonnet 116 uses 'bark' instead of ship, which could be a reference to 'howling at the moon', as there is also the word star in the sentence, which could connote the night sky - wolves are often symbolised as fiercely loyal, which could make the reader think about the lovers described in this poem as having eyes only for each other. THCM might substitute words in the phrase 'deserts of vast eternity' - for example, desert instead of wasteland might be deliberate - for example, it might be symbolism like sonnet 116 - to represent the 'burning' passion he feels.
    Overall, the two poems use similar techniques to express differing opinions of love, with S116 symbolising love as being loyal, timeless and perfect and THCM explaining love as being more about having intercourse, if you know what I mean.

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  2. Throughout the poems 116 and Hour a range of ideas about love are explored, this is shown through the poems language. Shakespeares sonnet 116 uses metephors throughout the poem. "Loves bot times fool" this could mean time doesn't effect love, but as time goes on it effects the way you look. Time is personified because it begins with a capital letter and a possesive apostrophe ( Time's ) This shows love belongs to time.
    In comparrison, Duffy's Hour has many references to money and riches, contrasting the concept of material wealth and possesions against love and time spent with a loved one. Similarly to Sonnett 116, Hour uses metphors, 'the Midas light turning your limbs to gold' this isnt aplicable as your limbs cant turn to gold.In the final stanza there is a single-word sentance "Now". It is simple, like the lovers' situation, and yet has a strong sense of being complete; nothing more is needed. It celebrates the moment rather than dwelling on the future or the past.

    Overall, the two poems use similar techniques to express there opinions of love, Sonnett 116 symbolising love as being loyal, Hour symbolising love as constant and every hour being worth it.

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  3. In the two poems Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress a range of ideas about love are shown using different techniques. In Sonnet 116 Shakespeare has used the traditional structure for a sonnet, which follows the 'abab' rule throughout the poem. This structure makes every other line finish off with a rhyming couplet. For example, 'let me not to the marriage of true minds/ Which alters when in alteration finds.' The rhyming couplets make the poem sound more elegant and gives the poem a smooth flow. Using the continuous structure gives the poem a continuous passion of the love being shared. In comparison, in To His Coy Mistress, Andrew Marvell uses the same technique of rhyming, however he has changed the structure to 'aabb', this allows him to make different points of love exploring it in more depth. Also, instead of making the rhyming couplet direct rhymes, Andrew has made them semi-rhymes. For example, 'And yonder all before us lie/ Deserts of vast eternity.' This could suggest that love in this poem, is shown as imperfect, which when words written with other words make the love being expressed perfect, for now. Imperfect plus imperfect equal perfect.
    Overall, in both poems, Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress the techniques of rhyming has been used to explore the ideas of love however, they have been used differently like the different structures used to express the different types of love.
    Memoona

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  4. In both the poems ‘Sonnet 116’ and ‘Hour’, many different ideas are explored about love. This is shown through structure and technique. Throughout most of ‘Sonnet 116’, Shakespeare (the author) uses an ‘abab cdcd’ rhyme scheme and iambic pentameter, for example: “Let me not to the marriage of true minds/ Admit impediments; love is not love/ Which alters when it alteration finds/ Or bends with the remover to remove”. The fact that the structure does not change at all during the poem supports the idea that love does not alter, even if it finds alteration. However, in Carol Ann Duffy’s ‘Hour’, very few of the fourteen lines have a perfect iambic pentameter. This could have something to do with the idea of imperfect love that is presented in particular interpretations of ‘Hour’. Duffy’s rhyme scheme, although also ‘abab cdcd’ contains many half-rhymes, such as the words “hour” and “ear”, “poor” and “straw”, “hair” and “here”. The flaw in the rhyme scheme could also supports the idea of imperfect love.
    Rachel Juden (group 3)

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  5. Throughout Sonnet 116 love is considered as an "ever fixed mark." This shows that Shakespeare thought love was never ending.In the poem To His Coy Mistress love is also considered as never ending as the poet says "hundred years." This shows both poems contrast love and time but both show love overpowers and is ever lasting. Also to show love is for all eternity. Sonnet 116 states "But bears it out even to the edge of doom." By using the word 'doom' it connotes a bad atmosphere and may indicate to dooms day. Shakespeare may of used the end of the world to compare love as it shows love is tremendously strong even if the world ended love is still there forever. In comparison to, To His Coy Mistress Marvell portrays love is now or never, this is shown through the poem as it says "now." and is repeated through out. It influences the reader to think love is now and will eventually end. Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress the two poets present how long love will last in two different ways as they have their own opinions.
    Kiran

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  6. Within Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress a group of ideas are used to express the theme of love throughout. This is shown through the poem's quotes and words within the stanzas. To His Coy Mistress is written about forceful love, and more of a need for physical love not the emotional side of it. On the other hand Sonnet 116 expresses love in a more cherished and caring way. It says 'Loves not times fool', in Sonnet 116, this expresses how shakespeare see's love as something which doesn't change; and lasts forever. Marvell says 'And your quaint honour turns to dust' expressing very unmeaningful and thoughtless manners. The word 'Quaint' which also means sweet, attractive and old-fashioned shows how he feels as though the sweet and natural soul she had will be ruined and taken away from her; which is what he wants. You can see a theme of emotion through Sonnet 116 as its more focused on one subject (lack of change in love) whereas To His Coy Mistress is more of a quick overlook of what the man wants or what he will get in my opinion.

    Tasha

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  7. Throughout the poems Sonnet 116 and Hour, a range of ideas about love is explored, this is shown through the poem by the techniques used and the way it is structured. For example sibilance is used more in both poems, though more in S116. "Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks Within his bending sickle's compass come;". This is a very subtle relaxing sounding sentence, it roles off the tongue easier as you say it, thus creating an overall softer sounding poem. However sibilance is also used in Hour, but not to the same effect, this could be representing that the love isn't a smooth going and perfect as in S116, and could perhaps have problems. S116 also uses the perfect iambic pentameter and the typical 'abab cdcd' structure. "Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks/ Within his bending sickle's compass come/ Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks/ But bears out even to the edge of doom". This creates a perfect rhythmic melody which matches the use of sibilance, of trying to create a beautiful image of the love he's attempting representing. In comparison, Duffy uses more half rhymes. In the first stanza she uses "flowers" and "hours" unlike S116, the use of an imperfect rhyme structure could be representing that the love she is trying to show isn't perfect and has its flaws.
    Overall, Hour and S116 both use similar structures and techniques which convey different meanings and feelings about the poem. S116 with a more perfect image of love, whilst Hour uses the techniques to present a more flawed idea of love, perhaps showing that love isn't always as simple as first seems, and does in fact have its own problems.
    Issy

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  8. Throughout the poem Sonnet 116 and Hour, many language devices have been used to explain the theme of love.
    The first thing that becomes clear in the two poems is personification. In both poems, personification is used to explain that time and love are both possessions, and they they are something to keep hold of. In Sonnet 116 'Love's not Time's fool'. This shows that in this sentence, time is a possession, and love belongs to it.
    In Hour, it says that love begs for time 'Love's Time's beggar' This says that someone may do anything for time even if it is a small amount
    In conclusion, i think that language has been used very effectively to emphasise the the influence of time on love, and that love can still remain strong even if time is short.

    Lucy

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  9. Throughout the poems to his coy mistress and sonnett 116 a range of ideas about love are explored, this is shown through the poem's quotes and words within the stanzas. To His Coy Mistress is written about forceful love, and is shows that the man is after more a physical relationship then mentally. Sonnet 116 however shows his love in a more caring and emotional way. I know this because of the quote he writes 'loves not times fool' which means that time isnt a worry love will happen anyway and forever.Andrew Marvel on the other hand writes 'quaint honour turn to dust' which suggests he is turning her innocence into nothing, as quaint means innocent and kind.
    Summer

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  10. Throughout the poems Sonnet 116 and His Coy Mistress, language is used to show the impact of time on love. In sonnet 116, Shakespeare suggests love as being everlasting and endless. 'O no it is a ever-fixed mark...' the use of personification suggests that love is permanent and leaves a 'mark'. If something leaves a mark it can be seen as powerful and strong, so therefore it may be saying that once one is in love it leaves a permanent 'mark'. However, 'To his Coy Mistress' talks about not having enough time and the writer comes across as hedonistic. 'Time's winged chariot hurrying near' is also use of personification as he is explaining how time is running out by describing how fast time can travel as if it is on a chariot like a person would be. To conclude, both poets have used personification in their poems to show how much or how little time there is for one to love.
    anika

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  11. In both of the poems ‘Sonnet 116’ and ‘Hour’, a range of ideas about love is explored, this is shown through the poem by techniques used and the way it is structured. The author uses ‘abab’ rhyme scheme throughout most of the poem Sonnet 116 along with iambic pentameter. For example “Whose worth’s unknown, although his height be taken/ Love’s not Time’s fool, through rosy lips and cheeks/ Within his bending sickle’s compass come/ Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks”. Perhaps the author meant that love does not alter, remaining constant after the “brief hours and weeks”, proving this by showing that the structure does not change throughout the poem with the rhyme scheme continuing softly and smoothly. However, the rhyme Hour by Carol Ann Duffy uses the rhyme scheme with half rhymes including “light” and “night” and “hair” and “here” but the meaning of this could mean that love isn’t perfect after all, back to reading all of the poem and realising how imperfect love can be. Duffy also uses perfect iambic pentameter at the start, presenting that the love might possibly seem real in a short amount of time and couldn’t be more perfect.

    Sophie

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  12. Throughout Sonnet 116 and To His Coy Mistress a range of techniques are used in order to convey the theme of love to the reader. Both Shakespeare and Andrew Marvell use time and tenses to show how time can have an effect on love. In Sonnet 116 Shakespeare describes love as an 'ever-fixed mark' and also says that 'love alters not with his brief hours and weeks'. This gives the idea that love is permanent, it is a 'fixed mark' and can therefore not be changed or removed. It suggests that Shakespeare wanted to tell the reader that love is an everlasting emotion and no matter how tough things get, through time, the love you have for another person can never be broken. However in To His Coy Mistress it is the opposite.For example it says 'Time's winged chariot hurrying near'. This suggests that the writer doesn't feel as though there is enough time to fall in love and wants to hurry things so that the time that they do have isn't wasted. It also makes the poem sound quite desperate because the word 'now' is used a lot, this sounds quite demanding and also as though the person cannot bare to wait(due to the lack of time).
    Both Poets have used time to show the vast amount or very little time that there is to love, and even though they have used the same technique they have both managed to convey completely different opinions of love to the reader.

    Chloƫ Harris

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  13. Love is explored throughout 'sonnet 116' and 'His Coy Mistress'. Love in sonnet 116 shows us Shakespears ideas of what love is however in his coy mistress it seems more forced and needy. We can see this as the language used in the sonnet is much more relaxed and gentle 'Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks.' But the language used in hcm is again quite descriptive but has a sharper tone to it, which suits the poem because of what it's about 'Thy beauty shall no more be found'. Time is explained in greater depth also and gives the impression of rushed love 'Time's winged chariot hurrying near'. This also quickens the pace of the poem giving the same impression. In the sonnet the pace is slower and less rushed 'Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks' and in general is about love within a couple rather than love being hurried because of someones desire. Also the love seems stronger 'That looks on tempests, and is never shaken' this tells us that no matter what, love cant be 'shaken' or affected
    -Shannon Johal

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  14. The poems 'To his coy mistress' and 'Sonnet 116' share some similarities and differences in structure to explore ideas about love.
    The rhyme scheme of the poem 'To his coy mistress' is the simple flow of just 'aabbcc' etc. The poet may use this to show the consistency of love and love never breaking as the same rhyme scheme is carried throughout the entire poem.
    However, Shakespeare decides to stick with his traditional structure of a sonnet. They usually are made up of fourteen lines. He uses an alternate rhyme scheme (ababcdcd) with a concluding rhyming couplet which binds the two lovers together. 'If this be error and upon me proved / I never writ, nor no man ever loved'. the use of iambic pentameter (" Let me not to the marriage of true minds/..... or bends with the remover to remove") and rhhyme scheme together create a romantic, musical effect, emphasising his joy at being in love. Carol structures her poem in a way to make it first of all flattering and then wanting to make love and hurry up. The two thoughts are split up into two stanzas.
    In comparison, both poets decide to create a musical touch to express the beauty of love with rhyming couplets.
    Mehvish

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  15. Sonnet 116 and To his coy mistress have different rhyme schemes. For example Sonnet 116 uses the traditional rhyme scheme (abab) whereas To his coy mistress uses the rhyme scheme (aabb) this changes the flow and pace of both poems it gives the reader a different view of what the writer thinks about love.

    In Sonnet 116 Shakespear gives the impression that love is everlasting through the rhyming couplets because the rhymes give the overall piece a slower and more layed back feel about love 'let me not to the marridge of two minds/Which alters when alteration finds' this slows the piece down whereas in To his coy mistress Andrew Marvell gives the overall impression that love is hurried and doesn't last for example when he says 'But at my back I will always hear Time's winged chariot hurrying near' the rhyming sequence in To his coy mistress makes the audience think that love is racing on past us.
    In comparison both poets use the rhming schemes to their advantage wether to slow down or speed up the pace of the poem

    Jade

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  16. The theme of love is created differently in Sonnet 116 and To his coy mistress. Sonnet 116 captures the idea of true love, love that is pure and lasts forever. To his coy mistress is mainly about forced love that is impure. Sonnet 116 describes how love can conquer all, even time and that time may change appearance but it won't change love. Sonnet 116 reads 'That looks on tempests and is never shaken' and 'Love's not time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks' proving that shakespeare wanted to say how love is indestructable and time can't destroy it. In To his coy mistress, the poem is mainly highlighting the physical aspect of love and not what they truly feel for the person. He isn't in love he is just lusting over the woman and trying to convince her to to give away 'That long preserved virginity' and 'and into ashes all my lust' showing that his interests lie in her body and appearance. The poem reads 'And now, like amorous birds of prey, rather at once our time devour' and 'And tear our pleasures with rough strife' showing that he wants to take advantage of her vulnerability and attempting to fool her with his 'love' when it is impure and only lust.

    Francesca Tedeschi

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  17. SHREEN MAHMOOD14 May 2014 at 00:50

    Throughout the two poems ‘Sonnet 116’ and ‘Hour’ the writers both convey their attitudes through using a range of powerful language features to explore and explain ideas about love.
    Shakespeare’s sonnet 116 uses pairs of repeated words: "love is not love", "alters when it alteration finds" and "remover to remove" these examples are from the first three lines. The use of mirroring words is suggestive of a loving couple. By doing this he is also capturing the beauty of love of which he is trying to describe. However this use of pairs of repeated words is not consistent throughout the poem as it alters. For example when it states "Love's not Time's fool". Here he is using opposites and negatives to stress the qualities of love by saying what it is not. Implying that love has its weaknesses and is inconsistent as couples don’t always feel the same about each other; they’re not always ‘mirroring’ the way they feel, sometimes they feel opposite to what their partner feels.
    Duffy’s Hour similarly uses opposites by contrasting the concept of material wealth and possessions against love and time spent with a loved one. When she writes,
    ‘We find an hour together, spend it not on flowers
    Or wine, but the whole of the summer sky and a grass ditch.’
    The traditional idea of "Flowers" and "wine" for loved ones, is replaced by alternatives: for example, "a grass ditch" is an odd location, not very romantic at all and the simplicity and perfection to "the whole of the summer sky" is an image rich in meaning, a visual feast for a loving couple lying down together and looking up. Inferring to the reader money can’t buy you happiness but the straightforward and effortless things in life can; besides they aren’t that hard to find.

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  18. Had to type it up in school because my internet at home is dead.

    Throughout the poems 'To his coy mistress' and 'Sonnet 116' the theme love is used in both poems. In the sonnet the theme is true love, we are shown this when it says 'love alters not with his brief out and weeks, meaning that love is forever and lasts forever, therefore making it true as its forever lasting. The theme for 'To his coy mistress' is forced love, we know this because he is talking about taking her virginity and time running out to sleep together. We know this because he writes 'that long preserved virginity' meaning you've been a virgin for a long time and 'I want to take it'. Another theme used in the poem is time, and time running out. In sonnet 116 as he talks about time running out, its shown this with 'Loves not Times fool', meaning that Time runs out and love knows this.

    Rebecca

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